RNG

By Admin

12 posts 04 Jun 2007 11:56

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Bad beats are part of poker. Whether it’s in a live game at a casino or online long shots do come in – after all, even a 90 per cent advantage means you’re going to lose one in ten times. Good poker players keep this in mind and carefully manage their bankrolls to avoid getting tapped out by one or two spells of bad luck.


We encourage players to talk about the game and their experiences on PKR – and bad beat stories are definitely a part of the conversation. But lately we’ve been seeing a few players dominating forum discussions with complaints about the fairness of our deal and our Random Number Generator (RNG). After careful consideration and long discussion we’ve decided (for reasons laid out below) that we can no longer allow these posts on the PKR forum. From now on posts questioning the fairness of PKR and the integrity of our RNG will be taken down with immediate effect and the poster warned. Repeated violations of this policy will see the poster barred from PKR forums.



Here’s why...


Our reputation is the most important part of our business.
We go further than most poker rooms to make sure you get a game that you can trust. We could have taken the easy way and procured our online gaming licence from any number of jurisdictions that require very little in the way of regulation. Instead we chose to licence PKR through the Alderney Gambling Control Commission – one of the toughest and most respected online gambling licensors in the business. As part of that licence agreement PKR is required to undergo an annual third party inspection of our RNG and an audit of our operation to ensure the deal is always fair. Not every poker room has to stand up to that kind of scrutiny, but we choose to because we know our customers want a site they can trust. Our inspection certificates are posted on PKR.com for all to see .




It doesn’t make sense.
Like most online poker rooms PKR doesn’t make its money when you lose a hand. Unlike a casino, PKR is not the house – we make our money by charging you a rake, that is a small fee for every real money cash game and tournament you play. Rigging our results would do nothing to increase the amount of rake we take in and represent a tremendous risk for no discernable benefit. What’s more, because we take a small share of each pot regardless, we have no vested interest in who wins.



That’s poker.
There are very few hands in poker where a hand cannot be beaten before the turn or river. It is important to remember than no advantage is ever that big and no result that unlikely in a game with only 52 cards, 14 values and 4 suits. Even KK vs AA will lose almost 1 in 5 show downs (19% to 81%); AQ vs AK is only a 24% favourite to win with an additional 5% to tie - AK will not beat that AQ in 3 out of 10 showdowns...


Although the mathematical likelihoods play out over time, it is important to remember that it takes at least 10,000 hands to see a approximate reflection of odds against results. Even the very best professional players have long periods where they are outdrawn at every turn, but this is part of the game and must be accepted by anyone that takes a seat at the felt – virtual or otherwise.


Of course you’re free to play (or not play) at any poker room you like. But if you look hard at the acreditation, reputation and leadership of these sites we’ll think you’ll find that PKR ranks amongst the best when it comes to integrity, game fairness and transparency.

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SirFrank

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RNG .... I have been playing poker for 35 yrs...and on line for about 10 ! My opion of PKR's RNG is that its the best ive seen so far! Some RNG's are absolutley ridiculous! Virtual Gaming...beggers belief....Micro Gaming is an insult to my inteligence! ...PokerStars...and FullTilt are pretty much the same ! Ive decided to dump those sites and stick with PKR as i dont get the same terrible anxiety when i play on other sites! Freerolls on other sites are pathectic ...sometimes up to 12,000 seats! Waste of time...when you spend 2hrs or more just be be fizzed out just before the cash by a joke suck out by the (as usual) chip leader!
My only gripe is ....SIT OUTS...HATE THEM...POKER PARASITES that spoil the game! So I refuse to deposit until this problem is sorted out! I dont wish to know that someone has p!ssed off to make coffee....or is doing the school run...and you get BRB!....
I have the perfect solution to this problem ....but as ive been ripped off by 2 sites already ....I'll keep my mouth shut!
Please can we have some cheaper micro S&G's tables would be busy 24/7 Im a struggling artist so cannot afford to play much....So min tables $1:00 +10 is a lot to me!
Keep up the good work PKR ....Your a brilliant site!
Just need to chat to me ....then it would be perfect!
Haha!
tata SirFrank !

GeeeBeee

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I feel a lot better and re assured after reading that. Thanks PKR great site.

RaiseOne

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Hello everyone,

This is my all first posting in PKR Forum. Last night I’ve read this post and didn’t reply straight away. Today, after having slept over it… I still feel the need to say my personal opinion.

PKR Admin wrote: “From now on posts questioning the fairness of PKR and the integrity of our RNG will be taken down with immediate effect and the poster warned. Repeated violations of this policy will see the poster barred from PKR forums.”

I can fully understand PKR’s interest in having a clean vest regarding their Poker business.

But what about democracy and freedom of speech?
Are poker players now going to experience some sort of censorship?

On the other side, PKR Jabba wrote on the Tilt to your heart’s content: “Whether you want to moan about the RNG, bad manners, politics or religion, this is the place to do it.”

So which of both counts… Are players getting banned or free to moan about the RNG or whatever topic they choose to speak out?

Only the truth hurts… so if any player is moaning about something that is not the truth, why should PKR even concern about it.

I don’t need nor expect any feedback/answers to my post. But maybe have a thought about it. We all still living in democracy and have the freedom of speech.

Wishing you all best luck on the tables.

Regards,

RaiseOne

SierraX

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But what about democracy and freedom of speech?
Are poker players now going to experience some sort of censorship?


Only the truth hurts… so if any player is moaning about something that is not the truth, why should PKR even concern about it.

Hi RaiseOne Happy

I know you said that feedback wasn't necessary but
I "have to" Wink respond to this.

I don't agree with you when you say "only the truth hurts".
False rumours and misconceptions can cause actual damage.
It can do so in almost every aspect in both our personal lives
as well as in the business world, both on a local and
on a global scale.


If you were for example a bar owner and a person entered
your establishment and started greeting every new
customer with the words: I know for a fact that the guy that
runs this place spikes the beer with antifreeze and several
persons have suffered life-threatening injuries.

Ok, that's a bit dramatic.. Maybe he says you water it down or something... Wink

Anyway, most customers will correctly surmise that this fellow
is probably a few sandwiches short of a picnic and
ignore him, but a few may think "better safe than sorry"
and choose the bar/pub across the street.

The guy accosting your customers is of course wrong,
you know that there's nothing sinister added to the beer that you serve.
Since there isn't anything wrong with your beer, there
isn't a way for the man to prove it but that doesn't stop him
from saying it.

My question to you is, would you let this man stay and continue talking
to your potential customers?

Is his right to make slanderous,harmful and unfounded accusations
against your business protected by freedom of speech?

In your own bar, nonetheless...



Sierra Happy

southshark

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just seen AA Vs KK twice in 5 hands, one hand had 2 other pkts also. Last night one player hit AA 5 times (that I saw!). Come on PKR thats not good enough. I love this site but I suspect the quality of the hole cards are designed for fast tourneys. I think fair tourneys would see players having faith playing for higher $. Is it just me that sees these incredulous hands?

ANGERMONKEY1980

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Ok now, lets all take a deep breath coz this goes deep!
Sierra you are right in what u say as far as the bartender and the Mouth. He would have been slandering the good name of the establishment. Slander is a crime in some countries and can be pursued through the courts. What PKr is complaining about is Libel: Offence/Harm caused through the publishing of offending and unfounded material.
The problem PKR has , and I am surprised this was not addressed before this thread started, is that it clearly states that the Tilt room allows this type of posting! I expect to see the text change in that room soon because pkr cannot take action until it has done so.
As for the freedom of speech thing, that can never be taken literally and for good reason i.e racism, fanaticism and of course slander and libel.

PEACE

Modge

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/lol

i've never known anyone to be banned for suggesting the RNG is flawed, despite pressure from the forumites for exactly that...

@Angermonkey
You state "The problem PKR has , and I am surprised this was not addressed before this thread started, is that it clearly states that the Tilt room allows this type of posting! I expect to see the text change in that room soon because pkr cannot take action until it has done so."

The problem with this is that the Admin post was made 2 years before we even had a tilt room Wink


M.



protection

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I will add 1 million of bad hands at PKR!!!
I´M Tired!!!!

Casino9876

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the RNG isnt the problem, its just muppets getting lucky calling with anything when they should be out the hand

Acidmanpk

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just seen AA Vs KK twice in 5 hands, one hand had 2 other pkts also. Last night one player hit AA 5 times (that I saw!). Come on PKR thats not good enough. I love this site but I suspect the quality of the hole cards are designed for fast tourneys. I think fair tourneys would see players having faith playing for higher $. Is it just me that sees these incredulous hands?

southshark, 22/07/2009

Paulsax

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yes I agree bad beats are part of poker but they dont happen as much 2 me any where else i must be averaging 8 outa 10 hands bad beats..what are the odds of havein 22 on a 2A7 flop shoveing 2 get a strong ace 2 call Ak calls and turn is a king river is a king .strange how i never suck out like .

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