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vernz26 5 posts Plankton

Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:37 by vernz26

Edited: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:38 by vernz26

hi all quite new to pkr although i am enjoying my experiences in general i find myself regurlarly frustrated with my inability to win pots when i have high pocket pairs from jacks upwards, i have tried raising, limping and rarely win. I would be grateful for any advice on how best to play these types of hand. thanks in advance.
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gpj77 2201 posts Blue Marlin

Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:05 by gpj77

playing them very aggressively normally works for me, limping is inviting trouble most of the time and you will normally get 1 caller if you raise 4bb, or 5bb in earlier stages and if everyone folds atleast you win the blinds.
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Posted: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:45 by Tinman764

Very situational in my opinion. What position are you in? Whats your table image? How is the rest of the table playing? What are the blinds and how do the blinds relate to your stack & the stacks of those around you? Most importantly though - what was the buy-in? Lower stakes will see more people calling strong raises with unexpected hands and possibly out-drawing your pair as they chase thier flush to the river.

Premium pairs (QQ-AA) are obvious raising hands. 99-JJ are tricky and depends on position and stack sizes, anything lower and you want to get in cheap and hit a set.

Being able to read the flop when you get a caller or 2 is also very important. Could the flop have improved your opponents hand, maybe giving them a higher pair?

Continuation bets are also something to be aware of. Use them when you think your hand is still good and test your opponent.

As a footnote - also something to be aware is the risk of becoming too predictable. Maybe your loosing because you only ever raise pre-flop with a pair. This will encourage players to call you with a good drawing hand, a suited Ace or suited connectors. If they hit thier straight or flush they can be confident that they have your pair beaten.

Once you've been sat at the same table for a while you will get a feel for how people are playing and how much to raise with your pairs. It's just a case of being aware of what's going on around you and making mental notes on what hands you've see the other players show down and assessing how the hand was played.
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Flexatron 169 posts Yellowfin Tuna

Posted: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:45 by Flexatron

Very situational in my opinion. What position are you in? Whats your table image? How is the rest of the table playing? What are the blinds and how do the blinds relate to your stack & the stacks of those around you? Most importantly though - what was the buy-in? Lower stakes will see more people calling strong raises with unexpected hands and possibly out-drawing your pair as they chase thier flush to the river.

Premium pairs (QQ-AA) are obvious raising hands. 99-JJ are tricky and depends on position and stack sizes, anything lower and you want to get in cheap and hit a set.

Being able to read the flop when you get a caller or 2 is also very important. Could the flop have improved your opponents hand, maybe giving them a higher pair?

Continuation bets are also something to be aware of. Use them when you think your hand is still good and test your opponent.

As a footnote - also something to be aware is the risk of becoming too predictable. Maybe your loosing because you only ever raise pre-flop with a pair. This will encourage players to call you with a good drawing hand, a suited Ace or suited connectors. If they hit thier straight or flush they can be confident that they have your pair beaten.

Once you've been sat at the same table for a while you will get a feel for how people are playing and how much to raise with your pairs. It's just a case of being aware of what's going on around you and making mental notes on what hands you've see the other players show down and assessing how the hand was played.


Tinman764, 04/11/2009

great advice tinman happy
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SharkTony 463 posts Pufferfish

Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:01 by SharkTony

Big pockets become very vulnerable at low stakes tables because you often face so many opponents still in the hand after the flop. never overvalue pairs in mutliway pots, you might be a big favourite against one player but against multiple opponents your rarely in a great spot.
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BenW77 3900 posts Stingray Moderator

Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:52 by BenW77

Big pockets become very vulnerable at low stakes tables because you often face so many opponents still in the hand after the flop. never overvalue pairs in mutliway pots, you might be a big favourite against one player but against multiple opponents your rarely in a great spot.

SharkTony, 05/11/2009

This is very true, you can go as far as 8x big blind pre flop bet and you will still get people calling with garbage like Q9o etc hoping to hit. I would say low stakes have a go pre flop 4x to 8x to try to get HU, if you get more than one caller play the hand carefully unless you flop a set then value bet them to death (whilst watching the texture of the board, pkr loves a flush!).
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satfat 1700 posts Swordfish

Posted: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:35 by satfat

if u dont know how to recognise good/bad boards and can fold when ur prob behind(not a dig... this isnt easy to do) just openshove or bet like half ur stack or sumthin ridiculous preflop. ull be amazed how many times ull get like 1 caller at the lo end stakes. big pairs are only monsters preflop and are usually losing on any board with 4/5/6 plyrs in on the flop
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vernz26 5 posts Plankton

Posted: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:39 by vernz26

thanks for all advice will put into practice your tips
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Olekander 7 posts Plankton

Posted: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:03 by Olekander

Raising is the Key, if you limp against lots of players bad idea.

The only time I can recommend limping is if you're in a late position and can see the action before hand.
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Destacker 4324 posts Box Jellyfish

Posted: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:03 by Destacker

One of the worst mistake I see (this isnt just at low stakes either) is when blinds are low and stacks are deep and people call or min raise with a big pair when 3 or 4 players are already in the pot. They are then willing to get all their chips in post flop /shake I assume the thinking (if you can call it this) is that they want action on their big pairs but the only action they are getting post flop is from hands that own theirs.

Gd advice already in here. Agree with sat, at low stakes you will be surprised how many people set mine for half their stack or how many just cant let their pretty J-Qs, or A-x hands go pre. Charge people to outdraw you.

When your holding a big pair J-J, Q-Q, K-K be willing to let your hand go if an ace flops. At low stakes people need to see flops with A-x and if there are 2 others in the pot your almost always beat.

GL
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