DC Abuse

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 01:12 by TheSqueeze

If its how you describe then i think you should have the pot and i hope justice is served. It seems he doesn't need to cheat but thats pretty low

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 02:10 by wulfy

whilst i fully agree... i'd also be pretty pissed if this pot was shipped to jardi after all the times i've been burnt by this and nothing has been done.

is DC protection available on other sites? i don't recall ever seeing it at either of the other two sites i play.

if it was a genuine equipment malfunction then it would be a pretty cool gesture to ship it back... but knowing him he'd more likely say he was gonna call... and request the extra bet he missed out on :p

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 02:24 by Goldeneyehd

xxxx happens

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 02:35 by gladheateher

it wasnt ejardi that this player was playing against, ejardi is just showing his concerns on the issue. It was sick i wont mention any names on here but the player in question did not even deny the fact that he cheated and seemed to be happy with the fact that dcp is a legitimate move in online holdem even at $25/50 level.
To make matters worse his best friend on the site again i will mention no names was railing the game and sticking up for the player saying he would have no problem in doing the same and hinted that he would do so if nec. this player plays a lot of $5/10 nl games. Playing against people with this mindset is impossible and admin should read through all comments on chat from railing players aswell and take appropriate action.
Other sites do have dcp but with the option of playing no dcp tables which i much prefer, i have been disconnected while playing a hand on a ncp table and while it is frustrating it happens maybe once every couple of months. Whereas it can happen a lot in 1 night to me on a table with dcp which is even more frustrating.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 02:53 by Lemmo120

I was railing this said match tonight and I have to say it was generally disgusting and was the most intentional d/c I've ever seen. Anybody on the recieving end of it would have been absolutely fuming and rightly so. Something definitely needs to be done about the d/c rule in general, can't really ship the pot back to the guy as it happens at all levels of cash games on PKR so would be pretty unfair.

As for the guy who was sticking up for the villain in question, everyone knows he likes to talk general xxxx and probably shouldn't be taking seriously as he was just trying to get a rise from everybody.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 08:13 by Bouba95

Yes indeed, having the ability to choose a "No Disconnect Protection" table would be great and professional

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 08:19 by giveyourcash

The DC stuff here is one of the worst aspects of PKR. I have reported a vast number of times with no follow up. The only way these cheaters will learn is if they have the money the would have had to call taken from their accounts and given to the rightful winner of the pot.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 08:50 by renoraines

I was railing that game too, because it's been really entertaining to watch over the last little while, but last night was pretty terrible.

Also, later on the player concerned did deny doing it on purpose and even offered to ship the pot back to the other guy, for what it's worth.

Is there any reason that you could not run a system where you have all in protection, but if you win the hand you only get your chips back. What that means is that if you were losing, you lose your chips, but you would have anyway. But if you were winning, you get to keep your chips, and it's tough xxxx that you got disc, at least you are not down. What that does is remove the profit from abusing the All in protection. I am sure abuse would drop immediately, while affording some protection for those genuine disconnects. It's still not perfect, but maybe better than the current system?

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 09:49 by Bouba95

Interesting idea renoraines...

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 10:04 by wulfy

i've only been thinking it over for about 8 seconds... but i think i like that idea very much.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 11:12 by FishMonger

Everyone would agree to you El and this has been brough up before. However I have never seen anything from PKR that indicated that have any intension of creating table with no DC or removing DC altogether.

These abusers are like theives. They just create an account sit on 5k NL table wait until they have a draw, disconnect, get unlimited drawing odds and win themselves a few 1000's. They make me sick.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 12:09 by kingkai84

was also watching the game late night and was sick to my stomach when this happened!! its the worst thing and i felt really sorry for the other guy making a great play in this big pot. something should be done about this thing. i can understand if some of the big players leave this site if this happens more than once at the big tables.

and i would never respect a player that does this on purpose. not saying i respected him before, but he was a colourful person at the higher stakes, and created action and was fun for all railbirds to watch.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 12:27 by Goldeneyehd

i think deep tables at 2/4+ with min buyin 100bbs and no disconnection protection should be added ASAP

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 14:01 by Fred85

I hate DC protection and I have always done so, I think its remarkble that nothing has been changed in this system, its 100% clear that this happens every single day on PKR, the DC protection should IMO be removed completly, if not, at least add tables which has "NO DC-protection".

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 14:48 by PKR_Danski

This is a discussion we have been having (to get rid of AIP altogether, or offer optional tables of non-AIP).

As a result of the heavy load and (in early days) less stable nature of PKR in comparison with non-3D sites, our position was always that it was more necessary than usual that AIP be available (at reasonable levels). As high-street standard technology has improved (even since we launched three years ago) we will be reviewing the position.

That said, keeping AIP is still tenable provided those who repeatedly make non-genuine of use of it are prevented from doing so.

While we cannot discuss (publicly or with the player who reports it) any investigation or result of one, we do investigate every single report, and carry out our own reviews of play in addition.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 15:50 by ElJardi

thanks for all reply's, im glad everyone agrees more or less.

I really hope Danski and other people inside Pkr make a priority of this.No one wants to get robbed and instantly know the thief is getting away with it. I really like Pkr and everything it has too offer, but on the other hand a problem like this is crucial, much more important than a lot of the secondary options on pkr, because it costs fair and square players loads of money.

The basic foundations of the game should be a 100% in order, when that condition is met, Pkr's wide range of extra's is even more powerfull.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 17:15 by Fred85

ya I hope this gets taken care of once and for all, Ive been robbed for alot of money during my 2 years on and off Ive been playing here. Like elJardi I like PKR alot but this part of PKR rly sucks and if it gets fixed Ill be sooo happy, top priority plz (:

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 17:25 by dappadan777

JESUS ive been asking for this for 2 years + and it hasnt been done. I play alot elsewhere at the same time as PKR and most of the other sites dont even have DC protect tables anymore.

NO DP TABLES / TIMEBANK / PROPER BUDDYLIST

3 things Ive been asking for 2 years. Nothing has been done yet.

I also think that people cheated IN ANYWAY should be given the money back they are owed form the pot or hand. Even if it comes out of PKR's pocket - if it wasnt for us regulars there would be no PKR - time to listen up and take heed imo.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 18:02 by Bouba95

Yes I think it is a top priority too and as a PKR "customer", I exactly feel like eljardi.

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 21:44 by Goldeneyehd

boubas oppinion counts the most

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Posted: 13-Mar-2009 22:35 by kristobella

whereas yours counts the least?

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Posted: 14-Mar-2009 12:20 by RiverEnglish

yeah good idea

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Posted: 14-Mar-2009 13:13 by Chivalrousgent

<3 Kristo

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Posted: 14-Mar-2009 23:57 by mrsuspekt

this thread is very dangerous if no changes by PKR are being made as a result from it. Tables where this kinda cheating is not available would be a good first step by pkr imo.

its hard not to tilt after someone uses the AIP against you but at the same time we should find peace in our souls knowing that the cheaters will burn in hell for it and they are also likely to be very sad and lonely ppl outside of pkr if they dont have higher moral standards than that. at least thats some comfort.

do something about this pkr.

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Posted: 15-Mar-2009 02:27 by wootie1969

I saw that too.. pretty sick move of a regular @ High Stake.
I think PKR should have a freeze function (for HS cash game) when a disconnect happend.
Like all-in.. disconnect .. freeze the game till the disconnected player comes back.
I think this is the best option here.. and thats a REAL all in protection.

There are some technical details to work out but that is the

best way to avoid such situation.

GN

I have that problem too when my ISP reset my connection @ 00:00.