BR and tilting management article

By kidpoker14

57 posts 18 Aug 2009 22:10

Edited on 20 Aug 2009 10:54 by PKR Editor

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Hello,
Im a plyr with some skill imo but I have a tilty caracter thanks to my sucking BR management and I love to play above the stakes I should play, that's why I decided to write and share a little article with you:

Bankroll Management:

Rules:
1. Always buy in with full stack and reload if you get under 100 bbs, you're +ev.
2. Always wait for the bb to get started in the game.
3. If you decide to play sng's to relax be sure the buy-in is only 1/30 of your bankroll.
4. If you play be sure you're not drunk, stoned, tired or having emotional troubles.
5. Be sure you try everything to boost your bankroll (e.g. reload bonus, rakeback deals).
6. If you lose 2-4 buy-ins in a session turn you computer off, you're not likely to win them back with proper play since you've probably lost them due bad beats or bad decisions (the number of buy-ins depends on how many tables you're playing)
7. Never play at higher stakes because you can't cope with the swings as much as you can at the stakes you should play and your edge decreases.
8. Always look for opportunities to improve your game
9. The lower the stakes the bigger the edge. Look for weak players to play against
10. Never listen to player who have the name jaywhat

$250-$1000: $0.10/$0.25
$1000-$2000: $0.25/$0.50
$2000-$4000: $0.50/$1
$4000-$8000: $1/$2

So basically 20 buy-ins and if you drop under drop down, I know this is a very tight system but it will reduce the times that you tilt because you can see that it's +ev for you in the long because the amount isn't that important for you, you'll focus on your game only.

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Wobblebottom

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1. Agreed, but I don't always do it.
2. Nah.
3. I never play an SnG to relax.
4. I often play drunk and when I'm tired. It's totally unacceptable.
5. Yes and Yes.
6. It takes me just 2 buy-ins before my fuse is blown.
7. Agreed, but I take a lot of shots anyway - live a little eh?
8. Absolutely.
9. True - but life is short. Look for 'em at the table when you get there I say. Until you get to the higher levels anyway.
10. Agreed 100%

P.S. That bankroll chart is absurd. It must be for the most conservative player in the world!!

kidpoker14

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ty for your reply wobble I looked at it once more and realized if was absolute bullsh.it Happy I changed it now to a more reasonable bankroll chart

jaywhat

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LOL
I quite like number

10. Never listen to player who have the name jaywhat...

Seeing as I have told you many times at the table you play above your role, you then go and post this proving me right and saying never listen to me!!!!
LOL LOL LOL
Too funny!!

/Im not always right but im never wrong... Tongue Out

Pkr1princess

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OP, you say that you play above the stakes that you should. ''I love to play above the stakes I should play''

Yet in your own article, that you wrote yourself, you totally contradict yourself, ''7. Never play at higher stakes because you can't cope with the swings as much as you can at the stakes you should play and your edge decreases.''

/think

@Jaywhat, /Im not always right but im never wrong...Tongue Out /chuckle, classic Happy

kidpoker14

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Oke at jayt.wat and princess i'll try to explain it to you guys once. At the moment you told me I played above me roll the buy-in for the $25 tournie was only 2% of my roll. Yes I mentioned I love to play above my roll but I also mentioned that's the reason for me writing this article becuz it's a great leak in anyone's game. So no need saying that it's a contradiction to myself...

BTW If I say playing above my roll Im referring to my playing at 2/4 to 10/20 last week

Wobblebottom

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Cut the kid some slack. Does it really matter? I thought his rules were the substance of his post.

Pkr1princess

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Hey I never said you played above your role, I was pointing out what ''I'' see as a contradiction, and if your on about ''no need saying that'' then number 10. in my opinion should go under that category too.
I have seen you at the tables and you constantly belittle people with your ''I am a brilliant poker player crap'', asking why they buy in with so little, or judge how they play.
If you are a great poker player then congrats, but is there really any need for nastiness?

Toomasl

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dont agree with the br management chart. I am not going nl200 before i boost my roll up to 10k$. Kind of a bankroll nit, i know, but it keeps me from tilting. Would suggest a 40 BI minimum tbh.

Micheal774

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What was that...dont listen to kidwhat?

Micheal774

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The funny thing about Kid is his ability to teach poker while losing in the game hes teaching...as i remember it.

jaywhat

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LOL @ jayt.wat,
Seriously whats with all these name calling thick as fook players lately that struggle to make a profit, yet constantly try and tell people how to play the game when they know deep down themselves they aren't yet good enough to give out advice?

I guess this little dig is over the hand in the Showdown this week when you tried saying I played it bad, when I pot bet the flop with QQxx and got my opponent to lay down KKxx.
Yet you pipe up saying I got no value with that bet I could of got more chips!!! LMFAO

You constantly sit at the cash tables with a 5th of the buy-in, constantly try and tell everyone how to play and "come play me heads up" bull, and constantly lose....

But hey dont listen to me coz Im always wrong... Happy


Also wouldnt mind knowing why Wobblyass seems to have a little sly dig at me whenever possible?
Never played you, but there is obviously something there...Surprised

kidpoker14

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micheal as I already said the skill is oke good enough to beat PLO4 to PLO100 by far if Im concentrated and not tilting but sometimes Im not and I lose a bunch of money, that's why I wrote this little article to help myself and maybe some other people out who have the same problem. I don't even recall playing with you once I don't even know what stakes you play but Im happy to invite you at the $0.10/$0.25 table to compare our skills.

gaztheyorkie

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u not had happy pills today sir?

kidpoker14

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jaywhat you little pathetic plyr, let me explain that other people at the table don't have the ability to look into ur cards and in my opinion you looked strong and that's why I thought you missed some value. After you explained I said oke I get it wp so I don't see why you are referring to that hand again. But I saw that you took the the 5th place so that's great with 2nd chiplead with 6 players left. And yes I've played short stack some times and I know it's -ev in the long run so that's why I decided to quit playing shortstack. That's also one of the reasons that I wrote this post (see rule 1) and you guys winding up only becuz made a little joke in rule 10 and you guys (princess and jay) reacting like this is exactly what I want /ty

dj2milli

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LOL @ jayt.wat,
Seriously whats with all these name calling thick as fook players lately that struggle to make a profit, yet constantly try and tell people how to play the game when they know deep down themselves they aren't yet good enough to give out advice?

I guess this little dig is over the hand in the Showdown this week when you tried saying I played it bad, when I pot bet the flop with QQxx and got my opponent to lay down KKxx.
Yet you pipe up saying I got no value with that bet I could of got more chips!!! LMFAO

You constantly sit at the cash tables with a 5th of the buy-in, constantly try and tell everyone how to play and "come play me heads up" bull, and constantly lose....


jaywhat, 19/08/2009

lol jay and kid is giving us advice!

Id listen to jay if i wer you kid hes a top player and top bloke.

Hes also our leader!

kidpoker14

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Yes gaz jay ran out of happy pills
/lmao for the sight of jays face when he realises those pills are fake

I know jay is a respected plyr but that doesn't give him a reason to think that he can bully players that haven't reached what he has reached

gaztheyorkie

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/grabs bacon cob and hot mug of coffee

/pulls up chair and watches fight thread

Jaywhat is never wrong FACT

kidpoker14

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lol another thing jay can you plz stop posting my sharkscope statistics when ur own suc.ks
jaywhat 574 -$1 $14 -3% -$703 - 55 PKR SNG Only

jaywhat

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Yay Im pathetic too, thankyou...
I really should start writing a list of all these names,

You always try and dish out advice at the table and like you say you didnt know my cards, so why even bother?
Its the same as another delluded fool that has "supposedly" left here because he thinks he's better than he is yet proves over and over that he is not!!
I wrote my story in the Tilt section, go find it, read it, let it sink in, it might help, Im not saying do the same, I will never give out advice, I dont think Im good enough to do that, but I will share my experiences and believe I have enough results to prove I do okay at this game....(seeing as its only for fun anyway).

I have been coming across this phrase alot recently....

"Usually those that make the most noise are the worst players"

Balls in your court...

dj2milli

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@Kid

hes not bullying you hes giving you free advice based on his experience and your ridiculing him for it.

Am i blind because i dont see him posting your SS stats. If it bothers you that much you should block you SS anyway. And obviously you dont mention his scheduled SS stats which eclipse his sng stats.

jaywhat

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And LOL @ my SnG' stats, I notice you didnt copy n paste my MTT's, and If you read what I said it explains why I gave up playing SnG's, and now its just the fun forum games....

LOL @ Bully...
Where's that come from?

God I love these online idiots...

gaztheyorkie

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Sorry dude but Jaywhat rules, he has some very good advice IMO

ZEUSUEZ

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I can not find the article you always mention...

gaztheyorkie

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two secs i will get it

gaztheyorkie

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osted: 12-Jul-2009 11:21 by jaywhat

How much are you depositing at a time mate?
I just think you need to re-assess which games you play.
Im no expert but I will tell you my story..

When I 1st started playing here all I played were SnG's I had no idea of BRM and was depositing $300 at a time playing the £10, $20, $30 even the odd $50 SnG's. I dont play coz I need the money I played for fun so it didnt matter that I kept going busto, Just re-deposit and carry on.
Check my SS graph for SnG's to see how bad I was. Happy
It appeared to me that when people play these they seem to forget its real cash they are playing with and just a stack of chips and it was too hard to get anyone to lay down a drawing hand (and always hitting) thus me getting frustrated and tilting the rest of my chips away!!
One day I thought enough was enough I had to stop playing these SnG's coz im pissing money away and not enjoying the game so I switched to low stakes cash 0.05/0.10 to start with then quickly moved up to 0.10/0.25, I found an amazing difference.
It seemed because players were actually sat with the cash in front of them they valued it more, this resulted in less fishy play which in turn meant taking more pots down and less tilt in my game and me enjoying it more!!!
I would play the odd MTT for fun but never really had the patience for it and used to bust out through boredom more than anything else...

I slowly built a decent bankroll and moved up stakes to $1/2. At these stakes I found the game changed completely, Instead of less fishy play I found it got worse, it seemed to me that the guys that played these stakes really didnt care about losing the money because they could easily afford playing at this level and this is where again I hit a brick wall..
I wasnt really winning but I wasnt really losing so I decided I needed to do something different, this is when I started playing Omaha.....
I went back to the $5 SnG's to learn the game properly, there are some great Omaha players there
and it didnt take me long adjust from the switch to 4 cards from 2..
Once my confidence was high in it I decided to start again on the cash tables and work my way up (mainly because I knew I was a losing player in SnG's)
Started again on the 0.10/0.25 tables, even though I was rolled for higher I felt I wanted to get a feel for the game in cash before the higher stakes, In no time I had moved up to $1/2.
I had also found playing Omaha that my patience had improved because of waiting for 4 decent hole cards before getting involved so decided to try the Omaha Showdown.
I would never of dreamed of paying $50 to buy-in to an MTT but my confidence was sky high now and I took it down on the 1st time of asking!!
I then followed that up with a 3rd the week after, then 2 weeks later I won it again and a 2nd the week after that!!

What Im trying to get across is you need to concentrate on what game you feel confident in and stick to that, forget all the speed and turbo donkaments because they are too unpredictable and it looks like you are spewing alot of cash on lotteries trying to get into bigger events, forget low stakes SnG's because as I said from my experience people dont treat them like its real money.
Stick to cash at 0.05/0.10 or 0.10/25 whatever you can afford, dont try anything fancy, have some patience (you dont have to try and win the pot with 27o) Happyand play big hands hard. Get notes on every player you can, it helps immensely.
Play the odd MTT and again have some patience, you know you can do it coz you have proved it in the past. Happy

I just stick to Omaha cash and Omaha Tourneys with just the odd special Holdem tourns (forums etc) and I have found I can consistently make a profit and on average manage to withdraw $1-1.5k every couple of months, and as I said I play for fun not a living so thats good enough for me!! Happy

Sorry for babbling on but that felt quite good getting all that out!! LOL

I just think if you can apply yourself to a couple of variations rather than spewing money here there and everywhere you will see an improvement in your game and your Bankroll...

All the best mate.. Happy

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