Loosing a flip vs reg for stacks.

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Posted: 27-Sep-2009 15:36 by mockjock

I assume this is cash

I would ask why youre getting it in with 1010 in the first place.....This is NOT a std cooler its a case of you not being able to fold an avg hand to heavy action.

If we assume you have QQ instead of 1010... (because JJ is also a much to a 4/5bet imo vs a reg unless you have notes or info that they could easily be making moves light)

If you lose a flip you lose a flip..its just one of those things. You will go through sessions where you lose a lot more than you win or vice versa - you need to try not let the result matter but just concentrate on your play and your opponents tendancies - the results are irrelevant as long as you are making the correct moves

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Posted: 27-Sep-2009 22:20 by mickeypockets

my game does change if i lose a flip for sure. i agree with mockjock there is no way you should be playing 10s for 100bb but lets say you have 2 pair or set and get it in vs an openended straight and flush draw, the result will affect my play for sure (im not saying that this is either good or bad im just stating fact). 1stly playing 200bb deep affects my hand ranges and how i play against other players who are more than 100bb deep (it allows much more room for creativity). 2ndly if i lose the flip and im stuck for the session i loosen up and start really playing draws aggro and things like that simply because im stuck. Im not advocating this play just airing it. so to sum up yes the outcome of a flip for stacks defo affects my game

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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 08:12 by DarkMace

Rofl, u guys are levelling right?
At nl400 + its super super standard to get it in wth 10s vs AQ or AK for stacks.

Lol at this "i shouldnt be playing 10s to heavy action". I dont know what stakes you play, but i gurantee you at midstakes if your not prepared to get it in vs active regs and laggy oppoenents your going to be giving up too much equity and far to easy to exploit.

ANYWAY, my quesiton wasnt about the sitatuation or asking opinions on how to play 10s lol.

Mooving on, the above respondents missed my point a bit.

The essence of my quesiton is meta specific not hand specific. Baiscally, say u loose a flip to someone. Say you loose 2 flips to someone. That opponenet may now think your tilting or "out to get him back" etc. Which may or may not be the case. The meta aspect is this levelling war that now goes on next time you 2 are in hands and the stacks start going in.

How light should you be pushing, how light should you be calling, what is your perceived range of opponenet for calling you down after you loose 2 flips to him and he sees you as tilted.

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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 08:27 by mickeypockets

Rofl, u guys are levelling right?
At nl400 + its super super standard to get it in wth 10s vs AQ or AK for stacks.

Lol at this "i shouldnt be playing 10s to heavy action". I dont know what stakes you play, but i gurantee you at midstakes if your not prepared to get it in vs active regs and laggy oppoenents your going to be giving up too much equity and far to easy to exploit.

ANYWAY, my quesiton wasnt about the sitatuation or asking opinions on how to play 10s lol.

Mooving on, the above respondents missed my point a bit.

The essence of my quesiton is meta specific not hand specific. Baiscally, say u loose a flip to someone. Say you loose 2 flips to someone. That opponenet may now think your tilting or "out to get him back" etc. Which may or may not be the case. The meta aspect is this levelling war that now goes on next time you 2 are in hands and the stacks start going in.

How light should you be pushing, how light should you be calling, what is your perceived range of opponenet for calling you down after you loose 2 flips to him and he sees you as tilted.

DarkMace, 28/09/2009

I appreciate that you are a nl400 player and that stacking off with 10s is a regular event at that level but im assuming the reason for that is because there is a lot of 3 betting and good aggro play. the 3 betting range is massive therefore playing a hand like 10s out of position to a 3bet becomes v difficult. However at nl100 where i play 3 betting is much much less common. people in general only 3 bet with premium. calling is by far the most common response to to your raises. At nl100 if you get heavy action on your 10s you will be in serious trouble most of the time

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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 08:31 by mickeypockets

The reason for my 1st response was that i had no idea you were a nl400 player. Had i known that i wouldnt even have bothered responing because its way out of my league. sorry for wasting your time

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Posted: 28-Sep-2009 17:13 by mockjock

lol - if youre stacking off with 1010 on a regular basis at NL 400 then YOU are exploitable. Obv there are players and situations where you are getting it in with 1010 but I wouldnt say its standard and I would say you were the one shoving rather than calling in a lot of these spots. How many times dont they have AK/AQ and instead have JJ+??

Back to the actual point of this thread though!! I would be less inclined to shove light/make moves vs an opponent I had lost a couple of flips to as he might think im tilting and be prepared to call me light.

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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 10:37 by FearTheChaos

After being perceived as losing+tilting, I will usually try to overbet good hands for value, and I won't make any large cbets or bluffs.

If he's LAG, and you declare war, the longer the war goes on, keep lowering value ranges for both calling and raising. Notice his range is wider and if stacks permit you can often shove him off his likely mid pair. It becomes a game of chicken, and you want to build up pots, and steal them with the last pot+ sized bet. After a few more battles like this, tighten up and go back to overbetting the effective nuts and eventually just playing normal.

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Posted: 10-Oct-2009 00:54 by satfat

and the award for offtopic noncomprehension of point in question goes toooo....... mockjock!!

and the award for giving away their mindset for free oes tooooo......mickeylintinmypockets!!

congrats guys, sure it was a long and winding road and yes i know u both love puppies and hope for world peace


srsly tho it shudnt affect u anymore thn any other pot u play with/witness reg play. its all in the meta bank and u shud adjust accordingly. altho tbh this will prob have far less effect on the game thn most showdown pots tbh as its just a standard flip. maybe hero and villain will favour to take more flops in pos with premiums against each other in future but doubtful as both hands have such weak implied odds

surprised ur wanting opinions on this mace, what silly bastard adjustment did u make tht failed badly enough to start this thread i wonder...

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Posted: 10-Oct-2009 23:05 by mockjock

satfat I have been trying to think of a smart come back but nothing quite says it like - suck my swingers love you really haha

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Posted: 13-Oct-2009 16:36 by DarkMace

haha, didnt really do anything. Just wanted opinions.
Its a situation that happens often, and its interesting to see the dynamic especially multitabling when its agasint the same person.

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Posted: 13-Oct-2009 19:26 by PokerVik

lost tons of coinflips that are no more coinflips in pkr stats LOL

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Posted: 22-Oct-2009 06:37 by TWEEENER

if i lose flip against a good reg i quit session, but if hes bad, i reload and go super duper aggro and get deep stacked then triple check raise with nothing and show.. and /lmao and leave

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Posted: 12-Nov-2009 20:34 by FatGor

Never got an STD on this site before. Touch wood.