Metagame in other aspects of life

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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 14:52 by ChowDog77

yeah for sure.

I'm a vet. If someone complains where I feel they're being unreasonable, I'll humour them and keep them happy enough (even though what I want to say is stuff you, go elsewhere), so that they keep coming to me.

I do this so next time I see them, and we're back on good terms, I can really slug them. Kind of a one step backwards or sideways so I can take two steps forwards next time. Broken toenail? Expect a hefty bill /cheer

Defo +EV.

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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 19:32 by SmOOthCaLLz

Thank god i only have a goldfish

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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 14:16 by Vagabond3

So one aspect of life's metagame is taking short-term losses for long-term gains? I suppose we all do that on a regular basis. The time to be concerned is when those short-term losses mount up and the long-term gains don't roll in. Maybe that's the sign that you're losing the metagame...

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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 17:18 by sledger

you are all on crack.
seriously now nice topic.

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Posted: 03-Jul-2009 14:13 by jdnorway

/me is still waiting for Chivalrousgent to contribute in this thread

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Posted: 20-Jul-2009 20:26 by Chivalrousgent

"Are there other areas of life where you've encountered the metagame? Where someone makes a -EV short term decision because they expect payoffs in the longer run?"

We're all subject to making -EV "plays" in life with a view to increasing long-term/overall utility/equity.

It's the underlying fabric which holds together evolved co-operative society. Our entire concept of co-operation, reciprocity and altruism are predicated upon the fact that short-term losses (by giving to others etc.) are off-set by long-term benefits e.g. receiving the same aid in the future when you're the one who requires it.

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Posted: 22-Jul-2009 12:15 by m1sha

"Are there other areas of life where you've encountered the metagame? Where someone makes a -EV short term decision because they expect payoffs in the longer run?"

We're all subject to making -EV "plays" in life with a view to increasing long-term/overall utility/equity.

It's the underlying fabric which holds together evolved co-operative society. Our entire concept of co-operation, reciprocity and altruism are predicated upon the fact that short-term losses (by giving to others etc.) are off-set by long-term benefits e.g. receiving the same aid in the future when you're the one who requires it.

Chivalrousgent, 20/07/2009

To quote Peter Griffin, what does subject mean?

On a more serious note: brilliant post again sir.

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Posted: 22-Jul-2009 14:36 by discomonkey

a blast from the past here, meta game in other areas of life .... that attatch to poker......

the kenucy incident........do u think it is beneficial to pretend to be somebody else in this way cause people to believe you less at the tables, maybe dislike your dishonesty?
maybe they go after you more at the tables, the stir it caused at pkr live 1, could have proved very beneficial if kenucy had used it properly.

could deceiving the people you have claimed to be friends with, be beneficial long term to attempting to gain all their money from them be it on the cash tabels(most likely as you can find them) or in tournaments........

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Posted: 22-Jul-2009 15:37 by Chivalrousgent

Cheers Mish.

Disco - the Kennucygate incident is a great case study of serious meta-game. Not only had Northern created the sort of character who would be soft-played against because it was a likeable "girl", but it went beyond that through the use of MSN and social networking sites to make a full persona with which to manipulate a lot of the top-end players on the site.

In truth, sometimes I wonder if such things would be done for such mercenary reasons as money, or whether there may be more unusual underlying explanations. I suppose it comes down to whether one reads malice in to their actions.

Either way, it's another intriguing application of the meta-game, but a lot more distasteful, due to its more personally exploitative nature, rather than impersonal misdirection.

I suppose, ultimately it comes down to the conscience of the person in question and what their priorities are. I think in the case of Kennucy, when first busted, a quick apology and smoothing of otherwise ruffled feathers could have resolved the issue and probably become a bit of an on-running insider joke in the future ...

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Posted: 12-Sep-2009 00:25 by liz53

aren't most religions based on this concept- accept poor deals/ suffering in the current moment with the promise of pay off in the next life?

the meek shall inherit the earth/ martyrdom

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Posted: 15-Sep-2009 07:46 by jdnorway

Great point, Liz. Religion is all about metagame. Religions were designed as such by the rulers in order to control and motivate the masses to do what they want.

-Virgins for dying in holy war in Islam - motivates people to die for their leaders.
-In Norse mythology you could only reach the grand hall in Valhalla (or something like that) if you died in a war - same motivation.
-The meek shall inherit the earth (in other words, don't worry about being poor, you'll get your reward in the afterlife).

Suckers.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 12:30 by JamesJoyce

Onanother level you could say that the majority of Governments are forced, through necessity of the times or through, as was said, malcious intent. The average individual will work long hours for what works out as very little, and in return the Government allows certain vices for our rewards; but we know, also, that not every individual gets the opportunities in life.
Looking at recent history you have the propoganda of the last US administration, or furthur back probably ne of the masters ofthe metagame in the 20s and 30s- Hitler.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 20:13 by jdnorway

That made no sense. To me, it just read like a stream of consciousness.

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Posted: 10-Nov-2009 18:15 by Dunbar

Well. if you make claims like this: "Religions were designed as such by the rulers in order to control and motivate the masses to do what they want.
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then it is easy to see that fear (for terrorism) is the new religion.

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Posted: 11-Nov-2009 08:01 by jdnorway

100% agreed. I was just making a joke calling James Joyce's post a stream of consciousness, but jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them.

/me hangs his head in shame.

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Posted: 12-Nov-2009 17:08 by QuadroxXx

Is gonna watch jdnorway hanging

step 2. Joining