Is my line of thought completely wrong.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 17:48 by IneedUrChips

I was typing a big post, but failed to finish it.

Summary: You played it horrible.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 18:04 by TheSqueeze

I think if he had trip Kings for sure he would bet the turn so a 3K bet woulda been more appropiate here.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 18:10 by whiskymac

I would put him on AQ or JJ from the way he played this. You need to value bet the river when you have the nuts, not "bluff" people off it lol. By his reaction it sounds like he would have paid at least 3-5K to see your cards.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 18:10 by mockjock

why call pre if you think he has you crushed??

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 20:25 by Kickmypuppy

after i posted this i walked home from work. on the way home i realised the massive errors on my play, wish i thought these things before i played the way i did or even before i made this post lol. obviously by the turn he didnt have trip kings, but if i had value bet the river and he DID in fact have what i thought he had chances are would have re raise me, in which case all the chips were going in the pot anyway but also if i had just value bet the river i also leave the option for him to try and bluff if he does have a weaker hand then kings and he may think he can get me off the pot. by pushing in i've only given myself 1 hope n thats he actually has the hand i think he has...i might not be spot on there but i think its a big improvement on my original thoughts.

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 20:38 by acesfour4

why call pre if you think he has you crushed??

mockjock, 03/11/2009

+1

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Posted: 03-Nov-2009 20:43 by Modge

Ignore me...

+1 indeed

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 00:57 by Kickmypuppy

the reason i called the pre flop raise is coz i had 1500 in already and it was 900 more to call when the pot was at 4800 plus antes on top of that i win 1/4 times and got over 5-1 on my money plus possibly the rest of his stack if i hit. and if i do completely miss its easy to fold and have plenty still to play with.

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 11:26 by sourshark

after i posted this i walked home from work. on the way home i realised the massive errors on my play, wish i thought these things before i played the way i did or even before i made this post lol. obviously by the turn he didnt have trip kings, but if i had value bet the river and he DID in fact have what i thought he had chances are would have re raise me, in which case all the chips were going in the pot anyway but also if i had just value bet the river i also leave the option for him to try and bluff if he does have a weaker hand then kings and he may think he can get me off the pot. by pushing in i've only given myself 1 hope n thats he actually has the hand i think he has...i might not be spot on there but i think its a big improvement on my original thoughts.

Kickmypuppy, 03/11/2009

This is FAR better thinking. You found the fault in your own play, and found a better way to think about the situation...that is poker learning in action....well done!

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 12:19 by satfat

erm.. u guys above r on crck. ofc u call if u know he has AA. he minreraised and ull almost always get it all if u hit a set. implied odds pple!!

ur line in the hand is just insane. ur line of thought on way home is good. take ur time in big hands live and use tht time to actually think about the hand rather thn what u had for tea! a lot of pple i know do this, take time but neglect to actualy think about the decision in front of them. i know live low buy ins pple reeally get on u if u take more thn 3 seconds but every now and then when the situation acutally warrants it feel free to take a minute or two and if pple get annoyed F THEM, ur there to take their money not swap buddy bracelets

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 13:41 by Modge

the reason i called the pre flop raise is coz i had 1500 in already and it was 900 more to call

Kickmypuppy, 04/11/2009

/lol - that was my first response (which defended your call)

I then thought, like most others presumably, that you meant he had made it another 2400 to go, as 900 is such an awful raise from UTG+1...


M.

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 14:04 by Tonybhoy1888

i like the call preflop even if you think he has AA or KK. if u spike the 10 ure getting his stack.

"River 10 because i've believed he's got KK here i just shove 15k into about a 5k pot thinkin there's no way he is folding that."

what I am failing to understand is why on this earth would you overbet the pot so much on the river if you think he has trip Kings and won't fold. ure pretty much putting ureself out of the tourney thinking he is going to call u with the better hand.

if u thought he had KK then check but the way the hand played out it was clear he didnt have KK so a value bet of around 3k might get a call from AQ

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 14:06 by whiskymac

Something to think about on the way home tonight. As well as trying to guess what he has try to imagine what he thinks you have based on how you played the hand. That should help you decide what your optimum move on the river should have been

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 14:08 by Tonybhoy1888

sorry im an idiot just re-read the hand and just saw u had quad 10's...ooops

yeah i think just the value bet is best here on river

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Posted: 04-Nov-2009 14:54 by SharkTony

if you put him on a bigger pair than you before the flop then your call was terrible knowing your badly doinated, if he hit trips he would be very unlikely to check behind you and slowplay, at the least here he would bet for value