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The best fold I ever made

Poker isn’t all about the hero calls – good folds will contribute a lot more to your bottom line in the long run

By Gareth ‘Chivalrousgent’ Rees on Friday 30 Jul 2010 13:15


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Forum favourite Gareth ‘Chivalrousgent’ Rees talks about his best fold of all time, from a live cash game in London

This hand occurred when I was grinding out a £1/£2 cash game in Kensington in London. Play was down to heads-up – between the two of us my opponent and I had already taken out all of the other cash players, many of whom had been short-stacked. The guy I was playing leaked tells, both verbal and behavioural, and his betting patterns were pretty obvious – no range-balancing, nothing ‘creative’. He was in his late 50s, early 60s, and pretty much everyone in this age group plays in one of two ways: super fishy or super nit. He was sitting with about £500, me with just shy of £185.

Looking down at A-To, I decided to raise to £5 from the button – as I had been doing with 90% of hands, hoping to induce him to tilt from the relentless aggression (plus I was generally outplaying him post-flop). This was actually starting to work, insofar as he was getting irritable and making lots of small leaky mistakes, but not so much that he was playing awfully and making HUGE mistakes (but a small edge over volume is almost as good). He called for the extra £3 and we saw a flop of 5-5-5.

At this stage, I was almost certain I was ahead (especially as he checked), or that I could at least move him off a hand. As such, I made my standard half-pot continuation bet. Given his ability to fold even for 3-to-1 odds on missed flops, I figured this was about the optimal bet-size to conceal whether it was a value-bet or c-bet, while still gaining value for my big hands or building a nice pot to push him off by barrelling another street if he’s calling with the likes of 3-3. He called, which made me a little suspicious – he was almost never doing that without something, so his hand had to be either miraculous quads, pairs from 2-2 to 8-8 or maybe Ace-high at the bottom of his range.

The turn came a Jack, so I decided to angle for a cheeky double-barrel because I knew he’d fold all his pocket pairs and Ace-highs. I led out £12 in to the £20 pot and he called once again. This really scared me – I’d been playing with him for well over an hour, most of which was heads-up. I was fairly sure my reads on him were good (he had a bad habit of showing cards when I talked him into it, which helped to confirm my suspicions every time).

Unfortunately, the river was the one card I really didn’t want to see: an Ace. Goddamn it. Why do the poker gods taunt me so?

The guy decided to ship his entire stack over the line – massively overbetting the pot by more than a factor of ten (and about four times effective stacks). This put me in a conundrum and I tanked for a bit… Maybe I was wrong and he was spaz-betting a scare card? Possibly he really was calling down with A-Qo and thought he was massive? I dwelled for a minute, running through the possible lines he could be taking. Either my read is dead wrong or dead-on. I’m holding the fourth nuts (behind Aces full, Jacks full and the case Five), but realistically the quads are the only thing likely to be beating me here, as he three-bets J-J and A-A preflop. I wistfully made a hero-fold and, as expected, he tabled his hand in disbelief that he wasn’t getting paid, showing 5-7 offsuit.

His shove here was pretty interesting to be honest – from what he’d seen he knew I was the kind of guy who likes semi-bluffing Ace-high. He figured that if I’d led two streets and raised preflop I must be fairly strong and likely to call his overbet often enough to make it work out.

While I felt pretty good that my reads were spot on and that I’d made a good fold (something I’m getting better at in these potential cooler spots), it was counter-balanced by my irritation that this guy was continuing to card-rack while I was getting coolered hand after hand, which in heads-up is pretty galling.

Comments

This surely is a quality fold, and anyone who says it's wrong on EV and therefore not the right play is crazy. With a good read on a player and the actions he made, especially the river, it is a great fold. With when it comes down to it he told you what he had, and in most circumstances even good players will pay that off knowing exactly what they were going to see and then kick themselves for not folding. With the cards conspiring against you like that I'm not sure many could have folded. But the worst thing about a hero fold, is that a good opponent will not likely show you that you made one, and with no confirmation you may end up kicking yourself for hours anyway. I think that's what makes a hero fold so uninviting, usually only the hero caller gets the glory, or at least the confirmation of it!

Comment by qbjrnz - 01/08/10 (Report)

"How can you take out all the cashplayers at a 1/2 game and be sitting with 185? :')"

As pointed out - the rest of the table had been short-stacking, and other geezer had 250BB. The joys of proper comprehension :P

Please take the title of this article with a pinch of salt - I didn't write it. Was asked to write a short piece on a fold I'd made. That's pretty much it.

Interesting to see the different takes on this though - some considering it dreadfully -EV, others thinking it to be super-standard.

Comment by Chivalrousgent - 31/07/10 (Report)

lol, you took out all the cash players at the table and still have <100bbs?

This is not a +EV fold, you split here 95% of the time, you win about 3% of the time to a spazz bluff and you lose like 2% to quads

Comment by Gullanian - 31/07/10 (Report)

Dude, this looks like a really easy fold to me...

Live game, nitty villain calls all streets and then massively overbets the pot on the river...

In low stakes live games this is almost a blueprint for the nuts - and yes people do sometimes flop quads even at 25 hands per hour.

If you think this is a hero fold, I'd like to see some of your bad calls!

Comment by cultofcargo - 31/07/10 (Report)

Edited on: 31 Jul 2010 10:59

How can you take out all the cashplayers at a 1/2 game and be sitting with 185? :')

Comment by Dunbar - 31/07/10 (Report)

Not entirely sure this was written by Chiv.
Not ONCE does he say....

FML
:P

Yep, there´s a steal here..
"You´re either dead wrong or dead on."
Nice read. :)

Comment by gecko4you - 30/07/10 (Report)

Remainder of article now posted...

Comment by PKR_Danski - 30/07/10 (Report)

"did u fold the article before you finished?"

ahahahahah

come back to the tables chiv! at the very least to finish this story. quality subbing ftw!

Comment by mudbone - 30/07/10 (Report)

well I guess he hit the full house which he didnt want and then he was probably reraised after river and knowing the player he decided to fold cuz the guy had quads.

Comment by Mediumchild - 30/07/10 (Report)

did u fold the article before you finished?

Comment by seanhill - 30/07/10 (Report)

So,seems like you put him on 4 of a kind ?
What did you do, then ?

Comment by wsunshinew - 30/07/10 (Report)

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